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02/14/2017 01:30 PM House TRANSPORTATION

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01:32:37 PM Start
01:33:26 PM HB60
02:05:21 PM Adjourn
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+= HB 60 MOTOR FUEL TAX;TRANSPORTATION MAINT. FUND TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
Brian Fechter, OMB Policy Analyst
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        HB 60-MOTOR FUEL TAX; TRANSPORTATION MAINT. FUND                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:33:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL announced that the  only order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL NO.  60,  "An Act  relating to  the  motor fuel  tax;                                                               
relating to the  disposition of revenue from the  motor fuel tax;                                                               
relating to a transportation maintenance  fund; and providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:33:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
BRIAN FECHTER, Policy Analyst, Office  of the Director, Office of                                                               
Management & Budget,  Office of the Governor, presented  HB 60 on                                                               
behalf  of  the  governor.   Mr.  Fechter  begin  his  PowerPoint                                                               
presentation  titled,  "Motor  Fuel  Tax Overview  HB  60."    He                                                               
explained that HB  60 would increase Alaska's  current motor fuel                                                               
tax by doubling it by fiscal  year 2018 (FY 18) and then tripling                                                               
it by  FY 19.  He  urged the committee to  remember that although                                                               
it may  seem like a large  increase, motor fuel tax  for highways                                                               
had not  been increased since  1970, for water craft  since 1977,                                                               
and for aviation  since 1996.  Mr. Fechter declared  that had the                                                               
state indexed  to inflation, the  eight cents per  gallon highway                                                               
tax would actually  be 49 cents today.  He  noted that the bolded                                                               
figures on the bottom of  slide two show current receipts totally                                                               
$40.3 million,  once doubled  that amount  would be  $80 million,                                                               
and then by FY 19 the  state would have $120 million in receipts.                                                               
Mr. Fechter affirmed  that the receipts will be  deposited into a                                                               
special  designated fund  to ensure  that the  taxpayers and  the                                                               
public  have some  assurance that  the money  being spent  at the                                                               
pump does indeed get used for transportation infrastructure.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER moved  on to  slide six,  and discussed  examples of                                                               
what HB  60 would cost everyday  Alaskans.  He shared  an example                                                               
of  a Wasilla  to  Anchorage commuter,  who  drives 25,000  miles                                                               
annually and  gets about 25  miles to the  gallon.  He  said that                                                               
the aforementioned  individual currently  pays about $80  a year,                                                               
which  after the  tripling  would annually  amount  to $240.  Mr.                                                               
Fechter noted that although it  is a tax increase, the department                                                               
does not  see it  as overly  burdensome.   He next  addressed jet                                                               
fuel  by giving  an example  of an  Alaska Airlines'  flight from                                                               
Juneau, Alaska,  to Seattle, Washington,  lasting 2 hours  and 15                                                               
minutes and  assuming a Boeing 737  burn rate of 750  gallons per                                                               
hour, and  stated that the current  cost of $54 per  flight would                                                               
be $162  after the second  increase.   He pointed out  that after                                                               
the second  increase the cost  per passenger would be  only $1.37                                                               
so the  increase passed on  to the end  user would not  be overly                                                               
onerous.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER said  that slide  four discusses  the comparison  of                                                               
Alaska's fuel tax  structure to that of other states.   He stated                                                               
that Alaska's  highway tax is the  lowest in the nation  and also                                                               
that it  has remained unchanged  the longest.  Mr.  Fechter noted                                                               
that the marine tax has a  dotted line because in most states the                                                               
highway rate is  the marine rate.  He said  that Alaska is unique                                                               
with only  a few  other states that  give a  special preferential                                                               
rate to  marine fuel.   He stressed that  the special rate  is an                                                               
important  policy consideration  given  the  impact the  maritime                                                               
industry has on Alaska.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:36:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL offered  his  understanding  that Alaska's  marine                                                               
fuel tax  rate of five  cents is lower  than the highway  rate of                                                               
eight  cents and  that in  most states  the two  are one  and the                                                               
same.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER confirmed  Co-Chair Wool's  understanding.   He said                                                               
that there are  only a handful of states that  offer special "set                                                               
asides."   He  noted  that some  states only  offer  a rebate  to                                                               
commercial fisheries,  but Alaska is  the only state  that across                                                               
the board has watercraft fuel at a lower rate than highway fuel.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:37:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  STUTES inquired  whether the  jet fuel  tax ranking  of                                                               
35th  out of  50 states  was reflective  of before  or after  the                                                               
multiple increase.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. FECHTER answered that 35th is the current ranking.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STUTES  asked whether Mr.  Fechter had  anything showing                                                               
what the ranking would be after the increases.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER answered  that he did not have those  numbers at this                                                               
time but that  he would be happy to report  those findings to the                                                               
committee at a  later date.  He directed attention  to slide five                                                               
and  explained that  for  31  states, the  aviation  fuel tax  is                                                               
actually  included in  the sales  tax.   Mr. Fechter  illustrated                                                               
that if Alaska  took that approach, and assuming  a three percent                                                               
sales tax  rate, it would cost  users more than what  is proposed                                                               
under HB 60 and  would put the state at about  35th in the nation                                                               
for aviation related fuel taxes.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STUTES  requested a  chart of  where Alaska  would stand                                                               
after all increases.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:38:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  offered his  understanding that  Alaska is                                                               
currently 35th in the nation for  aviation fuel tax, and he asked                                                               
for confirmation that Mr. Fechter  was saying that even after the                                                               
increases Alaska would remain in the same ranking.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER explained  that the chart just shows  the special jet                                                               
fuel and aviation  gasoline tax and doesn't show  a holistic view                                                               
of all  the taxes that  land on  aviation gasoline and  jet fuel.                                                               
He  clarified that  [after  the increase  in  aviation fuel  tax]                                                               
Alaska would rank [32nd out of the 43 state with fuel tax.]                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:39:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  queried how  the price  of gas  in Alaska                                                               
compares to that of other states.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER  stated that  he did  not have  an exact  number, but                                                               
Alaska  gas prices  were  "on  the high  end"  compared to  other                                                               
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  offered  his  assumption  that  Alaska's                                                               
already  high  gas  prices were  taken  into  consideration  when                                                               
drafting HB 60.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER confirmed that assumption.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN   requested  that  that   information  be                                                               
provided to the committee.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:40:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP offered  his  understanding  that 31  states                                                               
have a sales tax that already applies to fuel.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER confirmed that is correct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP noted that the  charts in discussion show the                                                               
amount  of  revenue   that  each  of  the   states  is  currently                                                               
collecting  and are  contrasted with  what  HB 60  proposes.   He                                                               
elaborated  that basically  the  department is  trying to  convey                                                               
that the fuel increases are not unprecedented.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER answered  that  is  correct.   He  added that  every                                                               
county  and  municipality  down south  has  different  sales  tax                                                               
rates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:41:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER continued  with his  presentation and  discussed the                                                               
functionality  of the  designated  fund.   He  recapped that  the                                                               
department will  be putting the receipts  of the fund into  a new                                                               
Alaska Transportation  Maintenance Fund  to give  users assurance                                                               
that  the money  being spent  at the  pump will  only be  used on                                                               
transportation infrastructure.   Mr.  Fechter explained  that one                                                               
of the differences  between a designated and a  dedicated fund is                                                               
that  the  latter  is  prohibited under  the  constitution.    He                                                               
continued  that although  receipts  cannot be  earmarked to  bind                                                               
future  legislatures,  by  directing  the  funds  to  a  specific                                                               
purpose,  designations can  be added  into  statute to  act as  a                                                               
"gentlemen's agreement."  Mr. Fechter  further noted that despite                                                               
each future  legislature's choice to  either honor or  ignore the                                                               
designation  in statute,  of the  over 50  designated funds  last                                                               
year  there were  only 2  out of  50 funds  that were  used "off-                                                               
designation."   He  said that  over 90  percent of  the time  the                                                               
designations are honored.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  requested that Mr.  Fechter reveal what  those two                                                               
off-designation instances were.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER shared that the vehicle  rental tax fund, which has a                                                               
designation for  tourism marketing and development,  was used for                                                               
both  parks  maintenance  and  highway  maintenance;  the  higher                                                               
education fund,  which has a designation  for education programs,                                                               
was used to fund retirement payments.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STUTES  asked whether any  marine fuel tax could  be put                                                               
into a fund designated for  anything marine related, whether that                                                               
be ports and harbors or the Alaska Marine Highway System (AMHS).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER answered  yes.   He  said that  when developing  the                                                               
proposed fuel tax,  the department found that  there were already                                                               
designations   written  into   statute:  the   highway  tax   was                                                               
designated  for  highway  operations and  maintenance;  the  non-                                                               
public  highway tax,  which is  the tax  on snow  machines, heavy                                                               
equipment, et cetera, was to be  used on trials and shelters; and                                                               
the  water  craft  tax  was  to  be  used  on  water  and  harbor                                                               
facilities.  Mr.  Fechter said the department  did not materially                                                               
change any  of the three aforementioned  designations and thought                                                               
that it would be best to  leave changes, determining how broad or                                                               
how specific the designations should be, up to the legislature.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:44:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STUTES  offered her understanding  that the  marine fuel                                                               
tax was already  a designated fund that  allocated additional tax                                                               
monies to specified projects for  water craft in some capacity or                                                               
another.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER  explained that there  were already  the designations                                                               
but  there  was  no  way to  appropriate  specifically  from  the                                                               
accounts  because they  resided in  the  general fund  (GF).   He                                                               
continued  that in  practice, the  legislature would  appropriate                                                               
money  from the  GF,  but  since far  more  money  is spent  than                                                               
generated in taxes on transportation  assets, it was just assumed                                                               
that the money  came from the three  existing designated accounts                                                               
for the purposes listed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STUTES  asked about  the level of  difficulty to  put in                                                               
statute a designation for motor fuel  taxes to go directly into a                                                               
designated account  for highways and  the marine fuel  taxes into                                                               
an account for waterways or ports and harbor.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER replied  that Co-Chair Stutes' suggestion  would be a                                                               
very simple  fix in the bill.   He noted that  the bill currently                                                               
moves the  accounts, keeping the  current designations,  into the                                                               
new  Transportation Maintenance  Fund.   Mr. Fechter  offered his                                                               
belief that tweaks  could be made to the  designations that would                                                               
allocate  generated   revenue,  for   instance,  from   fuel  for                                                               
watercrafts to  only be used  on the  AMHS and ports  and harbors                                                               
facilities.   He  added that  the  tweaks could  be broadened  or                                                               
tightened as seen fit.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:46:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL requested confirmation  that the three designations                                                               
previously discussed were already existing accounts.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER acknowledged that is correct.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL,  in  regard  to motor  fuel  taxes  for  off-road                                                               
equipment, offered  his understanding that  there is no  real way                                                               
for the  department to differentiate,  at the place  of purchase,                                                               
whether that fuel was used for a snow machine or in a generator.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER explained  that in  order for  users to  receive the                                                               
off-road motor fuel  tax discount of six cents, a  report must be                                                               
filed with  the department showing  the specific  off-road exempt                                                               
use.   He  added that  a  return form  is  the only  way for  the                                                               
department to track the exact usage  for the exempt fuel, such as                                                               
for a snow machine, a four wheeler, or a generator.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL  offered  his  understanding  that  any  remaining                                                               
amount that is not rebated would then be determined to be off-                                                                  
road and would be designated to be used on trails and shelters.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER  confirmed  that  is   the  current  designation  in                                                               
statute.   He  said it  is ultimately  up to  the legislature  to                                                               
determine exactly  what sort of  designation should be  placed on                                                               
the previously mentioned items.   He continued on to slide seven,                                                               
and repeated  what he previously  said about the  accounts always                                                               
being  comingled   in  the   GF  with   no  way   to  appropriate                                                               
specifically from  them.  Mr.  Fechter restated that in  the past                                                               
money was  appropriated from  the GF  and then  when expenditures                                                               
exceeded  collections  it  was  just assumed  to  come  from  the                                                               
respective  accounts.   He noted  that if  HB 60  passes and  the                                                               
accounts  get moved  into  the  Transportation Maintenance  Fund,                                                               
then  they  will still  be  comingled.    He explained  that  the                                                               
comingling  yields added  flexibility  for the  department.   Mr.                                                               
Fechter said that the comingling  puts pressure on the department                                                               
to be  frugal with its budget,  because money not spent  from the                                                               
appropriation from this fund will lapse  back into the fund to be                                                               
available  in case  of an  emergency, a  disaster, or  a one-time                                                               
deferred maintenance need.  He  brought attention to jet fuel and                                                               
aviation gas  and said they are  not listed as part  of the three                                                               
accounts that  would move  into the  new fund.   He said  that is                                                               
because jet  fuel and aviation  gas are already separate,  due to                                                               
Federal  Aviation  Administration  (FAA)  regulations,  and  that                                                               
change was reclassified last session.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER  addressed the table  on slide eight,  which outlines                                                               
the  proposed allocations  of  the  funds.   He  stated that  the                                                               
allocations  are not  written in  stone and  the department  will                                                               
certainly  entertain alternate  allocations from  the legislature                                                               
to reach  an equitable allocation of  funding.  He read  from the                                                               
table, as follows:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     We are  putting $9.2 million to  airport operations and                                                                    
     maintenance.  $62.5 for  highway  and road  maintenance                                                                    
     allocated to  the three  regions based  on the  size of                                                                    
     their total budget.   There is an  appropriation to the                                                                    
     Alaska Bureau  of Highway Patrol  in the  Department of                                                                    
     Public  Safety.    There are  two  capitol  grants  for                                                                    
     transit, one  provides transportation services  for the                                                                    
     elderly and  disabled and the other  provides [a] state                                                                    
     match  that leverages  federal dollars  for communities                                                                    
     to  purchase and  operate  bus systems.    And we  have                                                                    
     three   appropriations   for   marine   transportation,                                                                    
     including:    the AMHS;  a  grant  to the  Inter-Island                                                                    
     Ferry Authority  (IFA) that  runs the  Ketchikan route;                                                                    
     and the Municipal Harbor Facility  Grant Fund, which is                                                                    
     a  50/50 matching  program that  funds harbor  repairs.                                                                    
     The  top scoring  project  on this  list  will cost  $5                                                                    
     million and  be fully funded in  the governor's budget,                                                                    
     and it's for Wrangell, Shoemaker Harbor.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:50:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND questioned Mr.  Fechter about the history                                                               
of  the IFA  and  why the  state  is providing  a  grant for  its                                                               
operation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER answered  that  the  IFA can  run  the Ketchikan  to                                                               
Hollis route  less expensively than the  AMHS.  He said  that the                                                               
state  gives the  IFA a  small  grant annually  to subsidize  its                                                               
operations; the  local communities  wanted more  frequent service                                                               
than the  AMHS was willing  to give.   He shared his  belief that                                                               
over  the years  the grant  amount  had tapered  down from  being                                                               
closer to $1 million annually a few years ago.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DRUMMOND  offered her  understanding that  the IFA                                                               
used to operate two vessels, one  from the north end of Prince of                                                               
Wales (POW)  to Wrangell  and Petersburg and  one from  the south                                                               
end  of the  island to  Ketchikan;  however, only  one vessel  is                                                               
currently in  operation and  maintains the  southern route.   She                                                               
shared her belief  that the northern run  couldn't keep passenger                                                               
volumes at sustainable levels.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:52:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STUTES  asked Mr. Fechter  to clarify whether  the state                                                               
will no  longer be taking 50  percent of the marine  fuel tax and                                                               
applying it toward highway and road maintence.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER  addressed that  slide nine  shows that  the proposed                                                               
allocation takes  6 percent of  total collections and  diverts it                                                               
to  marine  transportation,  and  marine fuel  tax  comprises  12                                                               
percent of  total collection.   He  added that  it is  probably a                                                               
fair criticism that the marine  community may be getting a little                                                               
short  changed on  this allocation,  but this  is just  the first                                                               
proposal,  and   he  is   certain  that   in  working   with  the                                                               
legislature, the  most equitable  distribution of funding  can be                                                               
found.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  STUTES requested  confirmation that  the department  is                                                               
still taking 50  percent [of marine fuel tax] and  applying it to                                                               
road and highway.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER responded that is correct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:53:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOPP noted that in  reference to a previous slide,                                                               
Mr. Fechter had  said something that he thinks  is very important                                                               
for  the  committee to  understand.    He  asked Mr.  Fechter  to                                                               
clarify that designating  this fund allows that  unspent money to                                                               
be lapsed back into the fund.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER answered that is correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP remarked  that during  a previous  committee                                                               
meeting he  had asked about  how the department planned  and paid                                                               
for  disasters, such  as a  road wash  out, when  those types  of                                                               
incidences occur  almost every year.   He said he had  also asked                                                               
if the  newly designated  fund would help  the department  to pay                                                               
for   incidences  without   using  GF   money  or   reducing  the                                                               
department's  entire  operational  budget.    He  noted  that  he                                                               
previously  got  an  indefinite  answer but  is  now  asking  Mr.                                                               
Fechter whether the new fund will  give DOT&PF a better avenue to                                                               
pay for those incidences.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER  confirmed that is  correct.   He said there  will be                                                               
funding  left  in  the  motor  fuel  tax  account,  provided  the                                                               
department lapses  funding back  to the fund,  which can  then be                                                               
available for disasters and one-time emergency situations.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOPP  shared his  opinion  that  that is  a  huge                                                               
benefit to the department it previously didn't have.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:55:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SULLIVAN-LEONARD offered  her understanding  that                                                               
transit and  bus users  would not pay  into this  particular tax,                                                               
but that  2 percent would  still be appropriated for  transit and                                                               
bus use.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.   FECHTER  explained   that   there  is   an  exemption   for                                                               
municipalities and  localities, which typically run  bus systems.                                                               
He indicated  that transportation [taxes] also  fund non-profits,                                                               
which are  fuel tax exempt and  the Bureau of Highway  Patrol - a                                                               
state entity.   He  stated that this  allocation of  funding just                                                               
represents "a first  stab" before legislative input  of where the                                                               
administration  would   put  the   funding  from  this   tax  and                                                               
absolutely  open to  working together  to find  a more  equitable                                                               
allocation of funding.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SULLIVAN-LEONARD  stated her  belief that  the big                                                               
buses create  wear and tear on  the road systems, and  she opined                                                               
that is an important topic for further discussion.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:56:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  shared that he  sees a giant hole  in Mr.                                                               
Fechter's presentation, and that is:  What is the impact going to                                                               
be on Alaskans  once this is implemented?  He  offered his belief                                                               
that the proposed tax would  put Alaska above Washington in terms                                                               
of  the  cost of  gas  to  users at  the  pump.   He  noted  that                                                               
Washington already  has a  gas tax  that is  over 37.6  cents per                                                               
gallon.   Representative Eastman  explained that if  Alaska's gas                                                               
tax is going  to be increased to an amount  comparable to that of                                                               
California and Hawaii,  then he would like to  see the department                                                               
both  own  up  to  that  move and  explain  how  it  will  effect                                                               
Alaskans.   He added that  without that information, he  does not                                                               
believe it  is possible to  adequately assess that this  tax will                                                               
do what the department is intending.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER  said the  department  could  provide the  requested                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL shared his opinion  that the conversation about gas                                                               
prices in Alaska  verses that of other states  is probably beyond                                                               
the  scope of  this committee  and hearing.   He  added that  how                                                               
Alaska sets  its gas prices  or how  the private market  sets gas                                                               
prices is an important conversation for another time.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER  returned to  his presentation,  to the  final slide,                                                               
and stated that the number one  priority is for the increased tax                                                               
to reduce  the deficit,  no matter how  the funds  are allocated.                                                               
He reviewed that  there are four separate accounts, and  it is up                                                               
to the  legislature to  determine how  the designation  should be                                                               
written and what should be funded from the proceeds of the tax.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SULLIVAN-LEONARD asked  whether Alaska  currently                                                               
has a designated fund mechanism.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER  answered that there  was a designation  written into                                                               
law, but it  could never be implemented,  because the designation                                                               
lived as  a subaccount  of the  GF.  He  added that  although the                                                               
legislature can  appropriate funds  from the GF,  it is  not easy                                                               
because of the many subaccounts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SULLIVAN-LEONARD  inquired whether  companies like                                                               
Tesoro Corporation  are paying some  sort of  a fuel tax  and, if                                                               
so, where that money goes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER responded  that the close to one-cent tax  is paid at                                                               
the distributer level  and is a separate tax.   He explained that                                                               
the  proposed  taxes  would  be  paid  at  the  actual  point  of                                                               
delivery.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:00:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  STUTES inquired  whether  she was  correct in  thinking                                                               
that  the department  doesn't have  a  preference as  to how  the                                                               
funds are  designated, because wherever  the funds go,  they will                                                               
just replace UGF funds.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER answered  that's correct.  He stated that  as long as                                                               
the governor's  priorities are  funded in  the final  budget, the                                                               
department does not really care how the funds get allocated.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:01:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL,  in follow-up to Representative  Stutes' question,                                                               
asked whether  any of the total  revenues, for any of  the funds,                                                               
are in  excess of what is  needed for each of  the components and                                                               
would roll into surplus.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER explained that the  department spends far more in UGF                                                               
than would be generated, even after the tax is tripled.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WOOL, in  follow-up to  Representative Kopp's  question                                                               
about excess  money for  a rainy  day, offered  his understanding                                                               
that  in none  of  the  revenues, if  dispersed  to the  separate                                                               
funds, does the department foresee any  left over.  He added that                                                               
in order to  see any surplus, the department would  have to bring                                                               
in  UGF money  just to  get it  up to  its operating  level.   He                                                               
inquired whether  avalanche or catastrophe money  would come from                                                               
somewhere else.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:02:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FECHTER  explained  that  the  argument  he  was  trying  to                                                               
previously  make is  that if  the department  is frugal  with its                                                               
budget  and lapses  money  back to  the fund,  then  it would  be                                                               
available  for  future  use.    He said  that  currently  if  the                                                               
entirety of the  budget is not spent, then it  lapses back to the                                                               
GF and  is much  more challenging to  appropriate for  a one-time                                                               
use.  He  noted that if it  lapses to a designated  fund, then it                                                               
is much more palatable to appropriate money from that source.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL  asked whether  left over  money combined  with UGF                                                               
money could, at the  end of the year, be lapsed  back into one of                                                               
the designated funds.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER answered yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:03:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN requested  information  on  how much  the                                                               
department lapses back annually.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. FECHTER replied that that information is extremely variable                                                                 
and offered his educated guess that statewide, all departments,                                                                 
would be roughly $50 million in UGF for FY 16.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN requested that Mr. Fechter provide that                                                                  
information from the past five years to the committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL announced that the committee will request a                                                                       
committee substitute be drafted for HB 60.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:05:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WOOL announced that HB 60 would be held over.                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB60 DOTPF Response 2.13.17.pdf HTRA 2/14/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60
HB60 OMB Presentation 2.14.17 REVISED.pdf HTRA 2/14/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60
HB60 OMB Revision to House Transportation Question 2.14.17.pdf HTRA 2/14/2017 1:30:00 PM
HB 60